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mrvrod · Dec 25, 2009, 06:20 AM // 06:20

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Secondly it's obvious that you haven't read that entire thread. But to make it simple I consider these two new costume armor to be far better then armor in nightfall and Eton well the best in then whole game. So since this armor cost real cash and it far better then ingame armor that would mean that better armor cost money while missing armor and glitchy clipping armor, and bad reskins, and left overs (Deldrimor armor pieces) is what people get when they buy the game. Thus solidifying that you get substandard game content and you have to pay extra to be better guilty.

The best armor in the game looks-wise is subjective at best. There is no armor benefit to the costumes, so they can't be the best that way either.

As far as clipping, have you ever watched a female character running in the Dwayna dress? Watch as the knees and parts of the legs go through the dress. Yep, clipping issues with the costumes as well.

So your argument of better equipment for cash fails on both fronts.

bhavv · Dec 25, 2009, 09:16 AM // 09:16

If someone wants to pay for ingame costumes then let them. If you dont like it then dont buy them.

When you paid for GW, this content was not included in what you paid for, it is something new like a mini expansion that Anet can charge for if they like. No one is tying you down and forcing you to buy the costume to play or enjoy the game.

I dont have a problem with people buying overpriced popcorn at the cinema, nor with the cinema for selling it. I dont understand how anyone can genuinely have any kind of dislike for any company selling anything that they have created, be it popcorn or in game costumes.
Dont like it, then feel free not to buy it.

Zebideedee · Dec 25, 2009, 10:43 AM // 10:43

Moaning over having to pay £4, Ebenezer's spirit lives on :P

I like it, and happily paid the WHOPPING! £4 for it

bhavv · Dec 25, 2009, 11:08 AM // 11:08

^^ good that you enjoy it, it does look really nice. I myself am completely happy with my Glacial Gauntlets plus Ice Crown or Freezie mask, which I prefer on my character

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I would buy the costumes if they were permanent though, I just choose not to buy temporary things.

P.S. £4 is soooo expensive for a costume, Anet are getting sooooo rich from it and not providing us with anything in return omg omg omg ...

/Sarcastic RAAAGGGEEE!

AmbientMelody · Dec 25, 2009, 11:17 AM // 11:17

So it has come to this. Somewhere in a not so distant future, you boot up your computer, connect to the Internet and launch GW client. Type in your password, press o.k., go to selection screen. Before you select your character you are welcome with ads to buy 'cosmetic' improvements to the game. Long, long ago, these things were part of gameplay. Now, they are only 'not important things you can optionally pay for'. I wonder how much time actually it will take them to realise that they can as well give us just few basic armour looks in gw2 and then put all other armour and weapon sets for sale with real money.

It's really saddening that all those loyal Anet customers who bought their game and it's expansions are now treated like second-category players of f2p games, who can but don't have to pay for the extra. I'd rather they continued releasing mini-campaigns like BMP, provided you could just buy the key from local games retailer and pay on delivery in case you don't have a credit card. Now, that was actually content worth considering, even if a bit short and slightly overpriced thus.

But, come on, paying for plastic surgery of face? Costume?

I wonder if they will go the same route with gw2, assuming that they will release a big paid update each year or so. They won't have an excuse like they had with gw - no new games, no new income but we need to keep servers and staff up. And to those wondering GW is still selling a lot of copies ...

P.S. WTB Cynn's costume!

nologic · Dec 25, 2009, 11:48 AM // 11:48

I dont see the problem its not much money really?
I support the ANet in what they are doing even thou i bought nightfall on my 2nd account and got eotn for free cant complain about that.

Every game has micro-transactions even P2P games has it so it doesnt matter.
I'd rather pay for a huge expansion of the game rather than getting it for free unless its tons of bugs that needs fixing or skill updates even ui improvements.

A company needs money as well to fund new projects or
upcoming projects for new products its nothing new really.

Company -> Product -> Consumer -> Cash -> New products -> Profit for both of them. You get something you want and the company get something out of it. Both wins.

Zehnchu · Dec 25, 2009, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by mrvrod

So your argument of better equipment for cash fails on both fronts.

So can be said about the flip side which make your who point mute.

I do support Anet in what they do but there are something that need to have a line in the sand drawn. People who accept this to be a reasonable businesses tactic only add to the problem and add to the decay to the game. And it violates what Anet said they would not put in the cash shop.

But saying something wont happen just because you think it won't is delusional. It might not happen and then again enough people who whine (as people like to put it) the greater Anet will cave in and go back on it's word.

So if you missed the topic about the cash shop not wanted by the majority of the community Anet caved in to the whiners and thus the cash shop was born. Then months and months of topic about what was to be offered in the cash shop raged on. no weapons armor and playable content and again it the whiners seem to have won again and Anet breaking their word.

But I do expect cretin thing's for a game I paid for. One being I don't want to see ads, even WoW knows not to put ad on the log-in screen..but that's another topic.

And it's starting to get redundant.

T1Cybernetic · Dec 25, 2009, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

P.S. WTB Cynn's costume!

Texmod

I have rastigan the eternals armor some place or a similar one for my old male warrior.......

Riot Narita · Dec 25, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

I am quickly losing faith in Areanet with every wrong step they take. It seems that they have not learned their lesson from the last mistake of putting the BMP in the cash shop.

They keep adding stuff to the shop, cos people are buying. If nobody was buying they would have given up by now. Clearly, what they are doing is no mistake.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

They no longer have a clue about the community of Guild Wars and have lost touch with the fan base.

You are not the community. You are the one who's out of touch. See above.

Seems to me, you don't like something... therefore "it's wrong"... and you think your view is shared by "the community" or "the fanbase". But you have no evidence of this... and indeed the more stuff A-Net adds to the shop, the more wrong your elaborate theories look.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Anet will cave in and go back on it's word.

I LOL every time I see someone saying how A-Net "broke their promise" or "went back on their word" etc etc.

Show us where they gave their word, made any promises, or gave any guarantees. And how they broke them. It'll be a first.

Chasing Squirrels · Dec 25, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by bhavv

If someone wants to pay for ingame costumes then let them. If you dont like it then dont buy them.

When you paid for GW, this content was not included in what you paid for, it is something new like a mini expansion that Anet can charge for if they like. No one is tying you down and forcing you to buy the costume to play or enjoy the game.

I dont have a problem with people buying overpriced popcorn at the cinema, nor with the cinema for selling it. I dont understand how anyone can genuinely have any kind of dislike for any company selling anything that they have created, be it popcorn or in game costumes.
Dont like it, then feel free not to buy it.

How are costumes content?

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Originally Posted by bhavv

^^ good that you enjoy it, it does look really nice. I myself am completely happy with my Glacial Gauntlets plus Ice Crown or Freezie mask, which I prefer on my character

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I would buy the costumes if they were permanent though, I just choose not to buy temporary things.

P.S. £4 is soooo expensive for a costume, Anet are getting sooooo rich from it and not providing us with anything in return omg omg omg ...

/Sarcastic RAAAGGGEEE!

Wait these costumes aren't permanent?

Wheel of time · Dec 25, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

they aren't permanently obtainable as package but you sure bought them for the rest of GW-life

Zebideedee · Dec 25, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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P.S. £4 is soooo expensive for a costume, Anet are getting sooooo rich from it and not providing us with anything in return omg omg omg ...

I used to play Flyff and wasted a good few £'s on buying Spro's and cash shop items. Maybe thats why I don't mind paying the £4 so much, if I remember rightly the cash shop costumes in Flyff were around £15-20! In hindsight I feel like such a mug for spending so much time and money on that damn game

Zodiac Meteor · Dec 26, 2009, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Zebideedee

I used to play Flyff and wasted a good few £'s on buying Spro's and cash shop items. Maybe thats why I don't mind paying the £4 so much, if I remember rightly the cash shop costumes in Flyff were around £15-20! In hindsight I feel like such a mug for spending so much time and money on that damn game

I agree, some games can be complete a-holes about selling in game items.

Why is there so much QQ about Anet being greedy?

So if you despise the costumes because they cost $10 does that mean if people walking down the street has better shoes you hate them. How dare they spend an extra $20 dollars!

If your neighbor bought Christmas lights but he didn't need to you despise that act? Is the neighbor being greedy?

I wouldn't be surprised if you kick a puppy because he has a tennis ball and you don't.

Puzzle Time!
Hey QQ's, can you guess where most of that money is going to go?

Money from Guild Wars 1 = Money for Guild Wars 2
Whoever didn't figure that out fails problem solving.

BuD · Dec 26, 2009, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Hey sorry to get y'all off track, Ill let ya get back to arguing after I ask a quick question...lol

Are the costume makers NPC's a permanent addition, or are they going to disappear after wintersday? Just like the festival hat dude, it would be nice to go back whenever I feel like wearing one just to keep 2 storage slots free

Riot Narita · Dec 26, 2009, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by BuD

Are the costume makers NPC's a permanent addition, or are they going to disappear after wintersday?

Since they will continue selling costumes after Wintersday (only more expensive), there are sure to be costume makers ingame to get your costumes from, whenever you want.

I'm expecting Costume NPC's for Guild Halls, like the Hat Makers....

Perky · Dec 26, 2009, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Anet made a lot of money from these.

bigtime102 · Dec 26, 2009, 03:52 AM // 03:52

edit:

see http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t10418887.html

mrvrod · Dec 26, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

So can be said about the flip side which make your who point mute.

Making a baseless statement without facts does not make my point moot. Show how the flip side of: "the costumes are not functionally or (clipping wise) astetically better than the armor in game" is incorrect or moot.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

I do support Anet in what they do but there are something that need to have a line in the sand drawn. People who accept this to be a reasonable businesses tactic only add to the problem and add to the decay to the game. And it violates what Anet said they would not put in the cash shop.

Again you are making a statement unsupported by fact. Just how is the game decaying because of these "microtransactions"? And when did Anet say they would not add a cash shop? Why would they ever promise not to sell their content direclty to the playerbase rather than go through a 3rd party?

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

But saying something wont happen just because you think it won't is delusional. It might not happen and then again enough people who whine (as people like to put it) the greater Anet will cave in and go back on it's word.

Now HERE is a statement that is true when you flip it. Saying something will happen just because you think it will is just as dilusional.

Also, i've never stated that Anet and GW will NOT turn into one of the hundreds (or thoussands) of f2p microtransaction games out there. All I've said is I'm fine with buying content I want that doesn't give a functionally superior item. Keep the transactions to cosmetic only, then I'll choose if I want it or not. If it gets to the point where I have to buy items to remain competitive, I will stop playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

So if you missed the topic about the cash shop not wanted by the majority of the community Anet caved in to the whiners and thus the cash shop was born. Then months and months of topic about what was to be offered in the cash shop raged on. no weapons armor and playable content and again it the whiners seem to have won again and Anet breaking their word. .

Funny but I would think if the majority of the community did not want this then Anet would not make enough money off of it to be worthy of the time invested in creating it. I would propose that the sheer volume of people running around in the game wearing these costumes is enough proof that your completely incorrect and just making stuff up now to prove your untenable position.

Really, if you want to post about caving in to the whiners, post in one of the threads about Anet swinging the nerfbat at any build the hardcore farmers want gone.

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

But I do expect cretin thing's for a game I paid for. One being I don't want to see ads, even WoW knows not to put ad on the log-in screen..but that's another topic.

At least here you are showing that you are talking about what you want/don't want in a game. Your opinion on what you want can never be wrong, you want what you want. If GW is getting too far from what you want in a game, you have every right to switch to a game that is more to your liking. You also have every right to post your opinions and hope the majority agree with you so you can shape this game into what you want. Just be sure your facts really are facts, and when they are opinion, admit it.

Kaleban · Dec 26, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by nologic

I dont see the problem its not much money really?

$10 for two costumes. $10 is effectively 1/5th of all the content in Prophecies. If you can't get your head around why this is atrocious, then there is no hope for you.

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I support the ANet in what they are doing even thou i bought nightfall on my 2nd account and got eotn for free cant complain about that.

"The ANet" are doing just fine, as your example of buying CONTENT shows. If "the ANet" is able to give EoTN away for free as a package deal, why not the Costumes as part of a Wintersday gift? Doesn't make much sense to give away playable content for free and charge for cosmetic fluff, I think most would say the opposite would make more sense.

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Every game has micro-transactions even P2P games has it so it doesnt matter.

EVERY game? Really? Do you really want me to list all the multiplayer games out there that do not have pay to play content? You'd be surprised, especially after making such a ridiculous statement.

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I'd rather pay for a huge expansion of the game rather than getting it for free unless its tons of bugs that needs fixing or skill updates even ui improvements.

Unfortunately, "the ANet" is no longer working on big expansions to this game, instead they are working on fluff that suckers will sink money on. They can stick a few guys at most on things like Costume development, hence developing a massive profit ratio that takes advantage of naive chumps with too much money and not enough common sense. And then put the rest of their staff on the new game, developing more P2P content for those same marks, who, for some mind bogglingly weird reason, choose to defend their stupidity by CONGRATULATING the company taking advantage of them.

Makes my head spin.

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A company needs money as well to fund new projects or
upcoming projects for new products its nothing new really.

Since you have no idea how business works in general, it might be a good idea to refrain from such comments. ANY successful business would never hedge its future development potential on a marginal profit making opportunity subject to the whims of the market. In layman's terms, the profit made from GW sales and its expansions is what is being used for development and server upkeep.

Its not as if the sales of the Costumes these last several days are responsible for keeping ANet afloat! The mere idea is ludicrous in the extreme.

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Company -> Product -> Consumer -> Cash -> New products -> Profit for both of them. You get something you want and the company get something out of it. Both wins.

Sorry, but profit on sales only goes to the company. The consumer pays for the time, and calling the consumer's enjoyment of the product profit is a spurious comparison at best.

But the real issue is NOT the costume design, the ridiculous price and such, it is the PRECEDENT that it sets. I've explained it in detail elsewhere, but the short of it is, by establishing this as a "success" in sales and marketing, the model itself will be built into GW2, such that anything in the sequel could be up for P2P transaction models.

Imagine if EVERY prestige armor was $9.99? What about any sword model BUT the Ascalon Razor being $3.99? It could go on and on, and even when some shill is pumping out hundreds of dollars in GW2 to make their characters just as decorated as in GW1 when it was free, there will STILL be 'tards on this forum and others that for some reason are willing to defend it.

My only conclusion is that ANet apologists are on the company payroll, but you'd think they could have hired more literate and intelligent mooks.

Trub · Dec 26, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Meh.
I pay more for a theatre ticket than a nice costume in a game.
I pay for the movie ticket, I don't expect to take the reel home with me after viewing it do I?
I got my 1.5-2 hours of enjoyment from it.
The costumes, (and anything else the GAME developers want to offer me to enhance MY gaming experience) are a fun, inexpensive way to play my game of choice at the moment...GW1.
If micro transactions scare you that much in a four year old game....maybe it's time to step back, and ask yourself:
Do I really enjoy playing GW?
Do I really want to upset so many young people that may be reading this forum, calling them 'mooks' and ect.?
Should I maybe poll the gamers on guru on their opinion, rather than force my own on them?
Good questions to ask...and good answers to be found..